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Originally posted by Aram:
mecca,

I've always done my own prep. However I have used Jeremiah, and most recently Mark Ritter. I considered Dr. Joe, but when he raised his price this year I decided against it. I believe it is money well spent though. I have attended very expensive seminars by Charles Poliquin, Mile Francios, and others and it has been worth every penny. I am sure I would've learned plenty with Dr. Joe. Bodybuilding is a lifetime passion for me, so any time I can make an investment in increasing my bank of knowledge, I never view it as "too expensive". Next year, I plan on hiring Dr. Joe.

Back to Jeremiah and Mark. These two guys have always dialed me in. I remember being in a hotel room 5 years ago on the eve of my show, panicking because I looked flat, withdrawn, and depleted. I called Beverly headquarters, spoke to Jeremiah, and he told me exactly what to eat, in what amounts, down to the exact gram. The following day I went to the show and won the first of my 2 pro cards. Last year, I worked with Mark and at 8 weeks out from both my shows, we sent him photo's every week, and he adjusted my diet accordingly from week to week, gave me a plan for the final peak week, and I ended up winning the overall in both shows.

This foundation of knowledge that I've acquired over the years from Beverly and others, whether I have paid for their services or not, has made me a better bodybuilder and has also allowed me the privilege to help others in their own bodybuilding endeavors. Next year when I work with Dr. Joe, I have no doubts that I will continue to improve, as I continue to thwart off the impending twilight of my career.

Aram

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Originally posted by Cytrainer913:
I know free is free, but like Aram its hard to put a price tag on the wealth of knowledge you attain by using someone like Dr. Joe!! I basically felt that I have received another degree in nutrition by using him and he has helped me to help others!! If you really think about it for what you get and the time that he does spend with you for the prep up to your show, he was the one getting cheated because
$500 for the length of time near for 4-5 months is a steal when you divide that into 5 months! Go to a nutritionist anyhwere else and see the money you will be laying out to pay for one!! His diets work very well for the
non-bodybuilding type as it can be something that can last in terms of being something your can adapt to everyday situations and use to keep yourself within the realm of an ideal weight w/o feeling like it is a fad diet!! There is no real need to feel that this will go inot some sort of yoyo dieting thing!!
Now on the other hand $1000, gets pretty steep, if you have to pay for him now as this would limit his people that he would service, and give him time to devote towards the new end of his business of selling the Pharmanex Product lines!!

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Originally posted by Cytrainer913:
Joe to me and Like I said I have known him now for 5 years has never been one to just feed you a line, I really don't think he could, he is just too honest of a man to try and lie like that! I understand where you are coming from with this whole venture, but just from personal experience and knwoing him on more of friendly basis, i guess!!
Last year my wife and I went out to Indiana and met Joe and spent the weekend with him and his wife and his 4 kids and you could not meet a nicer guy!! We worked out, practiced posing at least 5 times in 2 days, went to the movies with the whole family, and just hung out, what a down to Earth guy!!

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Originally posted by AzProNatural:
[QUOTE Aram, couple of things...I assume you are going to choose only one of the pro organizations to compete in. I ask because I got my WNBF papers last week and they are very implicit that if you compete in any other pro organization that you potentially could be banned from the WNBF. Personally I think its **** because you should be able to compete whenever and in whatever event you want