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Can anyone help me out here? I love the old schools liver tabs BUT, neither I, nor my wife can handle the gas. I'm not sure if anyone else has this problem but when i use the tabs I have the worst smelling gas. Yeah it's funny, hahahaha. Seriously, the stuff is DEADLY. Help me dear God please help me. My nighly "Dutch Ovens" are killers.
Thanks and God Bless. Big Lenny |
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Try taking fewer more often. If that doesn't work, take them 30 min after your meal. Now, if that doesn't work, try using noseplugs.
 Check to see if it is a food combination w/tabs or just the tabs. Frank "Lift and be happy. Lift harder and be excited...Get Excited, Get Big!!!" |
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its quite simple. Gas immediately following a meal, means too much protein, its not being digested in the GI. Gas at the end of the night signifies too much overall protein. If its after each meals, start by removing an ounce of meat from each meal, until it stops if you want to continue with the tabs. I experienced similar things early in my prep this year.
The solution was to cut out the Ultra 40 and eat a bit less meat each meal. I chose to eat my protein rather than take tabs, I could have dropped an ounce from my meat intake, 1 once equals about 7 grams of protein or 4 liver tabs. |
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I'm just the opposite. I can eat 50 Ultra 40 tabs a day and suffer through zero gas. My protein is also above 300gr. I've tried other liver formulas, including powdered dessicated liver, and all of them give me gas....except for the Ultra 40
 Aram N. Hamparian NBI, USBF Pro Natural |
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DUTCH OVENS!!!!!!! I love it. Excuse my bad taste in humor, but toilet humor always makes me giggle!
Ok, 2 ideas for you in no particular order. Number 1, try cutting your protein intake down a little then add in the necessary grams from Ultra 40. That is a good idea. Number 2, give it some time. IF you just started taking them, you have to give your Digestive Tract time to adapt to this "NEW" type of protein. I assume you don't eat Beef Liver as part of your regular daily menu? Give it about 2 weeks to adapt and the gas should go away. If not by then, you may have to eliminate them altogether. Vijay Rock Puri, D.C. |
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Is this scientific? If I understand this and you're right J, this is a simple way of telling if you're taking in too much protein day-to-day (assuming diet consists of the same meals and you don't have general digestive problems) |
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Bottom line is that some people cannot handle Ultra 40. I ate 12 pieces of chicken on Sunday. I felt better than I have in the past two weeks. Chicken was all I had from 2pm to 9pm, it was 6 drumstick and 6 thighs. That's a lot of protein. I didn't have any gas at all. Ultra 40's can cause gas in some people much like Muscle Provider does for others. Like we always preach here, everyone is just a little different. Who in their right mind would eat 12 pieces of chicken? Ummm...Shorty?  Frank "Lift and be happy. Lift harder and be excited...Get Excited, Get Big!!!" |
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is it scientific, probably, I could find something on pubmed to support this. But, I know this from real world experience which is WAY more important to me than what some journal says about it.
Bottom line, Ive found that society as a whole is completely carb phobic and bodybuilders as a whole take that carphobic approach and translate it into WAY too much protein. I was the same way. Only recently have I tried new things and you know what with much much better results. I used to have bad digestive issues and gas problems as well, now I hardly have any of these issues. Why? because I eat what my body needs and can use in protein requirements based on my lean mass and fill in the rest with quality complex carbs. Look at my three week out pics, bet you wouldnt believe I eat white potato twice daily and was still taking in 225 carbs per day. But, I weigh less at 3 weeks out than I EVER have.... sorry for the rant, but I see it everyday on all the board, people taking in WAY to much protein and wondering why their GI is messed up or their progress stalls...or they have bad gas.... |
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Hmmmmm, very interesting, and I agree with you on real world vs. theory, but I just hadn't heard that connection before, but it makes sense. I never really have gas after meals, but always do at night. I'm going to try cutting out a protein shake and see what happens, then two, then all three shakes. Point is, if I see a decrease in the ***** after cutting out protein, I've found a really cheap, effective way to gauge protein intake. If, however, after cutting out three protein shakes, and I still have the gift of gab, then I just have to chalk it up to good genetics. |
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Jason, Your rant is warranted. You had problems. I have to disagree with your carbaphobic statement because Americans consume about 170 pounds of refined sugar per year...on the average. Obesity is not stemming from too much protein. It is more of a "fataphobic" and looking into the FATFREE zone that is high in sugars and carbs, along with a lazy approach toward life. Body builders, yes, carbaphobic and you're proteinaphobic, but for good reason  . The bad part is offseason diets are still too high in protein because they won't leave the 50% and change it when going to higher calories and you are definitely right about that one and I'm in agreement 100%. As far as contest diets go, there are many ways to get there and many work just as good with little problems. Protein or not, you still need the fiber content, both soluble and insoluble, vegetables and carbs. I have gas and GI problems with carbs. So, that too can vary with individuals. Problems occur when the diet doesn't vary. The person that would do my diet is the one that worked with David Henry for years. High protein but always revamped the diet every two weeks. Sometimes it would be high carbs and he said it has to be that way. If you want to do 50:20:30 sixteen weeks out and carry that all the way through the final week, you're doomed. Frank "Lift and be happy. Lift harder and be excited...Get Excited, Get Big!!!" |
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Frank, I agree with many of your points.
I should clarify, what people believe and what they actually PRACTICE are two different things. If I polled 10 of my friends I would bet my savings 9 would say carbs are what make you fat. Now whether they stay away from them, is another point all together. People dont differentiate good carbs from sugar and simple floury carbs, etc. Most bodybuilders and I was included believe if they eat more carbs than they currently take in they will get fat. That is true, if they keep their 2.5 to 3 x bodyweight protein intake. I would rather have balance, be stronger, eat carbs and protein. In the end you need to find what works best for you. I disagree with the fatphobia to a certain extent. Marketing hype used to be geared towards that in the 90s, now everything is low carb this and low carb that. I knew it was out of hand when I saw an ice cream company advertise their ice cream as low glycemic carbs. It may be but come on....ALL marketing hype geared towards low carbers....... Xavier, I am not advocating low protein by any means, just balance. I take in two Muscle Provider shakes per day with a healthy portion on low glycemic carbs. The BCAA content of whey protein is unmatched. I just make sure I stick to 1.75 to 2 x lean body mass for protein intake and not 2.5 to 3 x bodyweight. I wouldnt drop the Muscle Provider, Id just take a look at total protein intake. Fitday is a wonderful tool to get things right. Anyways.....to the OP, try some different approaches, but that bad of gas day in day out is telling you something. Good Luck |
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The gas could be any number of things, including stress. As for protein, it's good to try different methods of diet, training, contest prep, etc. The human body has ongoing chemical structural changes throughout ones lifetime. What worked in the past, may not work as well now, or in the future. I've done close to 100 shows in my career and I can probably recall 2x where I incorporated the same diet, supplement schedule, training regimen, etc. As Jason stated I am going higher carb these past few months and I am remaining just as lean. Next year? Who knows....I'll probably do something else.
BTW, after seeing your photo's J, I'm kinda relieved I am a grandmasterts competitor now. WOW  you have morphed into another type of human specimen. Good job fella! And Frank, we must forgive J for any rants....remember, he is deep into precontest. LOL (sorry for going a bit off topic. my apologies to the OP) Aram N. Hamparian NBI, USBF Pro Natural |
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Maybe we should clarify something, Big J, two different generations and parts of the US of A. Take a ride around my hometown of San Antonio, the town of the largest population of overweight people. There is more Mexican food served there than in Mexico City. The average person just doesn't have the diet knowledge unless there's a medical problem. Too much of anything will make you fat. However, my belief is the processed food additives along with fast-foods, including your better sitdown places, will make you fat. Some of the portions have enough calories with the meal and dessert and sugary soft drink for more than the entire day's intake, for Aram because of his age. As for protein/fats, the Inuit Eskimo's diet is practically all protein/fat unless they go into town and get a Hershey bar. The poorer countries of Asia, they consume a large portion of their diet is carbs. Both peoples are alive and well. Aram, Jason has a good and valid rant. The final end, we agree the most important part; Balance. Contest dieting: I like Roger's diet of 50:20:30 for starters, then mixing macros around in the middle, and like Jason is doing, adding carbs at the end of the program. I tend to think eating for your blood type has some good basis to it, then considering body types. Jason feels good and is better by not taking in too much protein. I feel much better by not taking in too many carbs. I don't always eat high protein. My diet varies considerably because I'm not contest dieting. Right now, it is higher on protein, but not 50% because I'm training for strength. It is more like 40:40:10. In a few weeks, it will be 30:50:20 because I'm incorporating ... A.R.G.H., commonly known as cardio. NOW Soy... LOL Now there's a bomb waiting to explode. Maybe Ultra - 40's are made from cattle eating soy? Frank "Lift and be happy. Lift harder and be excited...Get Excited, Get Big!!!" |
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Yep, all valid points, balance is key. Man this poor guy just wanted to know about Ultra 40 and we took this one way array, I apologize, but I hope we answered your question and then some. |
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It was on the basic topic...GAS. LOL, I hope he wasn't going post about Fish oil vs. Flaxseed oil. There wouldn't have been too much of a disagreement, but I'll bet that would take off. Really, it didn't stray much. There are a lot of other reasons for gas. Food combinations, enzymes and fermentation. Food allergies can produce similar. Narrowing it down would be to take the Ultra 40's by themselves on an empty stomach and wait for a while. If you get gas, it's a digestive problem with the product. This message has been edited. Last edited by: Frank, Frank "Lift and be happy. Lift harder and be excited...Get Excited, Get Big!!!" |
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Beverly Nutrition Beverly Nutrition Supplements ULTRA 40 gives me ULTRA BIG PROBLEMS.....