At what point in my preparing for my contest should I start taking Lean Out and GDA's? My contest is Oct. 4, 08?

Lean Out is the kind of product that you can benefit from taking year round. There isn't a "good" time in specific to take it.

Start right away is my best suggestion. 2 caps with EVERY meal and it will help stabilize blood sugars and help ensure that fatty acids are constantly being mobilized for energy usage.

I don't EVER get off of Lean Out! Because of my tendancies to not tolerate carbohydrates well, Lean out has been a saviour to me and allows me to finally incorporate more carbohydrates into my diet. Much Needed.

As for GDA's?? Call me ignorant, but not sure what that means?

GDAs = Glucose Disposal Agents such as vanadyl sulfate and chromium polynicotinate.

Ask Jtheo if you need more info. about these.

Ahhh yes. GDA's that makes sense. Never really been a big believer in Vanadyl Sulfate, but Chromium Picolinate sure! Luckily there is a heafty dose of Chromium in Lean Out!

I am biased, but Lean Out is the most complete and effective GDA in my opinion. I am sure J will have some more info for you.

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Originally posted by ChunkyButt:
Ahhh yes. GDA's that makes sense. Never really been a big believer in Vanadyl Sulfate, but Chromium Picolinate sure! Luckily there is a heafty dose of Chromium in Lean Out!

I am biased, but Lean Out is the most complete and effective GDA in my opinion. I am sure J will have some more info for you.

Lets just say they work, work really well. Dont forget for much of my prep I dieted on 225 grams of carbs because I controlled my insulin very well..

Lean out contains Chromium picolinate NOT Chromium polynicotinate

http://www.oralchelation.com/ingred/chromium.htm

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Lean out contains Chromium picolinate NOT Chromium polynicotinate

True. Chromium polynicotinate is the other GDA stack with vanadyl sulfate.

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Chromium polynicotinate

I am not familiar with this compound? What is the mechanism of action in the digestion system for Chromium polynicotinate? Things I've found have said that it also affects glucose tolerance factor?

THey say that chromium picolinate is toxic and isnt as effective as chromium polynicotinate and chromium picolinate is in Lean Out...What does this mean is it safe to take lean out?

Menna, I'm sorry I didn't understand your first post about it.

Chromium Picolinate is like vitamin A in that too much or excessive amounts can be toxic. On the other hand, reports and tests will vary and you'll always have someone OD on it and take it out of proportion, providing false information and later, try to sue a company/distributor/lab.

It isn't to be confused or compared with a toxin such as mercury, something that shouldn't be added in a supplementation program at all.

As with all supps, the brand can make a difference. Zigzag, rotate, cycle on and off with it as well.

Thanks for the info. I am half way through my contest prep and didnt know what to think about the Picolinate in Lean out...I take 2 with every meal (7 meals a day) as long as it wont kill me ill keep going with it because there are so many other great things in lean out. I just wish lean out had the polynicotinate type not the picolinate...I guess I will just buy some Chromium polynicotinate and Vanadyl Sulfate and add it in with the lean out with every meal.(200mcg chromium Polynicotinate and 10mg Vanadly Sulfate at each meal)

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.(200mcg chromium Polynicotinate and 10mg Vanadly Sulfate at each meal)

I suggest to use the extra stacking sparingly, and limit it to two meals that will be highest in carbs. You're already adding chromium with Lean Out.

Yea I agree ever meal would be overkill because I take the lean out...I am thinking of taking it 10-15min before breakfast, pre workout meal and right after my workout with my post workout meal and then again before bed...They say take the two 10-15 min before a meal is the best protocol when dieting for a contest.

every meal would be overkill and due to the efficacy of the gdas I recommend your blood sugar levels would be WAY low and you'd feel awful. One or the other not both.

Ok thanks for the info I will give the CP and the VS a try at 4x a day 200MCG CP and 10mg VS (800CP and 40VS a day) with my high carb meals.

Menna, Also with cheat meals do a double dose not only will you notice the extra hardness from it, but it will help keep fat at bay from the spill over (they may evne prevent a spill) depending on the glycogen load.

I am on a contest diet and cant have cheat meals (Thats why I am going to take them with my high carb meals) but I will use that advise in the off season and during that post contest binge...

Im confused the guy at the store said chromium polynicotinate and picolinate were the same.

The store only had chromium picolinate so thats what I bought. So did I buy the right one?

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The guy from the store in wrong they arent the same...Look online for Soloray's AntiChrom..it contains the right type of chromium and other ingredients that will help...

Jtheo - Quick question I just received my Vandy and Chrom and will start taking it with my high carb meals tmw...

Meal 1 (High carbs) 200mcg Chrom 10mg Vandy

Pre workout (High Carb) 200mcg chrom 10mg Vandy

Post workout (High Carb) 200mg chrom 10mg vandy

Last meal of the day to help burn fat wile I sleep - 200mg chrom 10mg vandy

I will take the GDA's at the last bight of my meals...Is this the right way to take it and should I keep the lean out in with the meals that I dont take the other GDA's or drop the lean out totaly?

Menna, if leaning out take at first bite, not last.

I dont think you will need lean out while using these, thats not to say its not a good product, but that would be too much chromium in my opinion.

Keep us posted I think you'll like what you see.